Courtesy of Sega-16.com, here are two screenshots from Virtua Racing, comparing composite and component video. The difference is clear. Or not so clear, in the case of composite. |
So I'm exploring other, cheaper options. One possibility is SCART, an old yet surprisingly advanced video standard created by the French, and used throughout most of Europe in the late 20th century. SCART is fondly remembered by Europeans... understandably so, given its extreme versatility. It's got pins for composite and component video plus stereo sound, making it well suited for everything from VHS players to the cutting edge game consoles that would come later. Here's the rub, though... SCART never caught on in the United States. Finding a television with an SCART port in America is almost as likely as spotting a leprechaun galloping past you on unicorn-back.
Okay, that's not going to work, at least not without an adapter. Fortunately, they do exist for the Genesis. You just connect an SCART cable to the A/V port of the system, then plug an SCART to component adapter into the back of the cable. Wait, both ends of the SCART connector are male? Okay... plan C then. What if you bridged the two connectors with a coupler, like this?
At this point, things are getting a little complicated... I might as well throw in a few pulleys, levers, and a goldfish bowl to make this contraption a true Rube Goldberg device. However, these three components are still half the price of HD RetroVision's cable! I'm just wondering if it'll actually work. The schematics for other adapters typically have resistors and capacitors somewhere in the mix to strengthen the signal. I've got no idea what's inside these three doodads, and connecting them to a high definition television might only result in a blank screen and a whole lot of disappointment.
Even though it's more expensive than Retrovision's cable, I'd recommend a OSSC and a RGB SCART cable. The OSSC is a neat little unit that line doubles retro games up to modern resolutions. Before it came out the only other good option was the Framemeister upscaler which is twice the price. It has a hefty price tag but once you get the proper cables for each of your consoles you can use it with more then just the Genesis. Good luck!
ReplyDeleteI wonder how much work it would take to mod a pre-HDMI console to work with HDMI outputs.
ReplyDeleteGoldLeader from AtariAge here. 2 Things. First I tried your idea (roughly the same) and it did Not work. I went SCART --> SCART to RGB adapter = No Dice.
ReplyDeleteHowever the Best picture I got was by using a modded system and going S-Video ---> S-Video to HDMI Converter. Expensive I know. But it really looks pretty good!
Then you can also use it on CRTs with S-Video...I too want to try out the RetroVision cables at some point. At least with any of these options, They're expensive once, but then you've got them.
In case you do get an S-Video Modded Genesis (I have 3 different ones, but that's me)...Here's the Converter I use and there's one on eBay for $40 which isn't too bad.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jrelecs-Mygica-V2HD-Pro-Video-AV-YPbPr-to-HDMI-Converter-Upconverter-1080P-to/302646191082?epid=879417609&hash=item46771e63ea:g:gq4AAOSw0W5aDMfU
It seems modding for S-video is going to be my best bet, as difficult as that may be. Damn the torpedoes, though! I've soldered before, and this Genesis wasn't exactly pristine when I bought it.
DeletePS Usually these converters are $60 or more...I also had good luck going from S-Video to VGA using a different converter.
ReplyDeleteOne last comment. If you're on ebay buying a converter, make sure it's the one you need. Just take one last look. I only say that because there's a Gefen on Ebay right now and it's described as an S-Video or Composite To HDMI (for $29.99!) BUT looking at the pics, It actually goes FROM HDMI To S-Video! You should look carefully at what is labeled INPUT and OUTPUT just to be sure.
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure you know that, but I thought maybe it bore mentioning, especially if someone newer to this is reading about it.
That's wise counsel. I nearly bought a JP21 cable earlier today, thinking it was SCART, but I caught myself in the nick of time.
DeleteI wound up picking up an SCART cable, an SCART/HDMI to HDMI converter (well reviewed on Amazon and demonstrated to work with the Genesis), and a Genny controller for $35, thanks to that recent eBay sale.
I also grabbed a Genesis Flashback HD at ShopGoodwill, which may not have been a great idea considering AtGames' track record, but what the hell, it was cheap. We'll see how that pans out.